Sponsored post‘I was sitting in a café in Hanoi watching the world go by,’ chef Luke Nguyen explains as he pours a cup of caramel-coloured Vietnamese coffee. ‘There were people exercising: doing Tai Chai, playing badminton and kicking around a bamboo shuttlecock. And next to me on these little stools were a pair of old men with long, silver beards. They were wearing scarves and berets--and, to my surprise, were speaking fluent French. I thought “wow, this is a great experience” and I wanted to speak to them and find out what life was like in the days of the late 1800s to 1954 during the French occupation.' Luke shared this story during a masterclass held recently at Red Lantern on Riley (one of the Sydney restaurants he co-owns with sister Pauline and her husband, chef Mark Jensen). The event was held to celebrate the launch of Luke Nguyen’s France, a ten-episode series which starts on SBS ONE on Thursday, 24 April at 7.30pm. The show follows Luke's latest journey as his appetite for food leads him out of Asia and into France, the culinary wonderland that shaped his ancestral home of Vietnam, and the lives of so many in his family. Meeting these two old gentlemen in Hanoi would mark the beginning of a new gastronomic adventure for Luke, who says he had never really delved deeply into the history of the French influence on Vietnam before. 'I knew nothing about that time. So I asked them, what was the food like? What were your parents eating before the French came? Were there things like baguettes, pho, pork rolls and crisp rice flour crêpes? As I listened to them, I realised that a lot of the dishes we think are Vietnamese are actually French-inspired. Is pho really French? It can’t be! I knew I had to look into this. So, I contacted a lot of people in their nineties and even older. The more I talked with people who lived through this era, the more I learned about how the French influenced what the Vietnamese cook and eat today, and how the French presence is felt in daily life’. Through their tales, the gentlemen explained to him that the French brought with them a lot of ‘fantastic things’ that integrated into the Vietnamese culture and cuisine. The iconic Vietnamese pho, for example, seems to have originated from the French pot-au-feu. Luke explains that the stock for both is made using beef marrow bones, sweet vegetables and meat or poultry. The addition of rice noodles, bean sprouts and herbs (such as mint and basil) are the distinctly Vietnamese additions. As he pours champagne into elegant flutes, Luke tells us that he has cousins, uncles and aunties all through France. He says he just wanted to cook and eat with them, do double-kisses, and just hang out [as you do]. 'I wanted to see what they were cooking, and also see what the French are cooking,' he explained. 'To search for the pot-au-feu that they tell me pho comes from. To search for the crêpe that was the origin of bank xeo.' Luke said his expedition started in Paris, where his cousins have opened a restaurant called Bistro Indochine. 'My cousins all have French names, and their Vietnamese isn't great, but their French is perfect! We were communicating in broken Vietnamese, a bit of French on my side and a touch of English,' he laughed. He explained that he cooked twenty phos and then tried his hand at a very rustic pot-au-feu. 'It was very much like cooking pho. The basic ingredients were ox tail, shin bones, roasted vegetables, cloves, garlic. I put it all together and found that the flavours were quite similar. Of course pho has more spices, with the star anise, the ginger, the lemongrass. But they were basically the same. The more I discovered French cuisine, the more I realised the connections between Vietnamese and French food. The journey was a learning curve for me as a cook and I learned many new cooking techniques as well. But most importantly I demystified the question: Did the French influence Vietnamese food?' The answer, he says, is 'yes, in a huge way'. The masterclass... Over the next hour, Luke spoke more about his travels and the people he met and cooked with, as he demonstrated how to prepare sardine farcie or stuffed sardines (see the recipe below), which were beautifully flavoursome and textural; and also a fresh-tasting, fragrant Vietnamese fusion steak tartare. Meanwhile, a few of the more adventurous participants in the 'class' also rolled up their sleeves and prepped sardines and steak tartare under the guidance of the Chef. Sardine farcie (stuffed sardines)... Luke says he loves sardines and usually citrus-cures them. But in this 'really simple' recipe he stuffs the delicate-flavoured sardines with Jasmine rice, shallots, panko crumbs, crushed almonds, coriander, lime zest and chilli. It was inspired by a recipe Luke says he learned from a restaurant owner in Nice who cooked 'traditional, honest food'. STUFFED SARDINES (Sardine farcie) Various recipes for stuffed sardines can be found along the stretch of Ligurian Sea coast between France and Italy. Use very fresh sardines for the fullest flavour. Cuisine: French Makes: 6 Preparation time: 30 minutes Cooking time: 15 minutes Level of difficulty: easy Ingredients 2 cups cooked Jasmine rice 1 garlic clove, chopped 1 French shallot, chopped 2 tbsp roasted crushed almonds ¼ cup chopped coriander, plus extra to garnish ½ lime, rind grated, plus 1 lime, cut into wedges, to serve 1 red chilli, sliced, plus extra to garnish pinch of salt and pepper 140 g (2 cups) breadcrumbs 3 eggs, separated 6 sardines, boned and butterflied 125 ml (½ cup) olive oil 2 handfuls of rocket Method Combine rice, garlic, shallot, almonds, coriander, lime rind, chilli, salt, pepper, 2 tbsp breadcrumbs and egg yolks in a mixing bowl. Using your hands, stir to combine until ingredients stick together. On a flat plate, combine remaining breadcrumbs and coriander. Gently squeeze 1 tbsp stuffing in your hand to firmly combine ingredients, making a tight sausage shape. Place stuffing on the inside of a sardine, then flatten so it sticks to the sardine. Place the egg whites in a shallow bowl and whisk for 1 minute to thin out slightly. Dip sardines in egg white, then coat with the breadcrumbs and set aside. Repeat process with the remaining sardines and stuffing. Heat ⅓ cup olive oil in a frying pan over medium heat. Cook 2 sardines at a time, belly side down, for 2 minutes. Turn and cook for another 2 minutes or until golden brown and crisp. Drain on paper towel. Meanwhile, place rocket in a mixing bowl. Drizzle with remaining olive oil and season. Place sardines on a serving platter with rocket leaves, extra chilli and coriander, and a wedge of lime. SBS cook’s notes Oven temperatures are for conventional; if using fan-forced (convection), reduce the temperature by 20˚C. | We use Australian tablespoons and cups: 1 teaspoon equals 5 ml; 1 tablespoon equals 20 ml; 1 cup equals 250 ml. | All herbs are fresh (unless specified) and cups are lightly packed. | All vegetables are medium size and peeled, unless specified. | All eggs are 55–60 g, unless specified. Recipe appears courtesy of SBS Food. 'It's good fun to cook while you're sitting down...' Next, Luke prepared a Vietnamese steak tartare made with the freshest grain-fed Black Angus beef and herbs (see my images below). 'We're using Black Angus so that we can appreciate the quality and texture of the meat,' he explains. The meat is citrus-cured for just a few minutes and mixed with capers and a combination of wonderfully aromatic herbs. Initially I wasn’t keen to taste this as the thought of raw egg (at that time of the morning) didn’t particularly appeal, but I must tell you it was absolutely delicious and I’ll definitely be making this at home for Peter. I’m sure many of you would love to try it too. You’ll find the full recipe on the SBS Food site here. A conversation with the chef... Luke was generous enough to sit down with me after the masterclass, so I took the opportunity to ask a few questions about his travels. Our conversation is below: Luke, thank you for inviting me to attend the masterclass, it was such an honour and pleasure. The series is beautiful, stylish and colourful, and also down to earth, as always. Congratulations! Thank you, Liz. I'm really glad you like it and thank you for your time today. I'm interested in the rooftop bees in Paris and the honey they produce. Those bees are so fat and furry and healthy. The honey tastes amazing! There are parks everywhere and plenty of vegetation. It was fascinating how you taste different honey from bees from different areas and taste the difference. And it's interesting because if the hives are on the rooftop of a hotel, the honey is only for the hotel, for instance, it's served to the hotel guests for breakfast. The correlation between pot-au-feu and pho is fascinating. Yes, it is. I had heard about it but I wasn't sure. Of course you can research recipes and history online but I wanted to go there and just talk with the people and learn more. So you think that it definitely explains the origin of pho? Absolutely! For sure. You see it in the making the broth for pot-au-feu. Making the meat tender, and tasting the sweetness of the bone and the marrow, the oxtail, the vegetables, the cloves and the onions and all that. And then you have the Vietnamese version, which is exactly like that but with more spices. And at that point where it finishes, the French add Dijon mustard, cornichons and baguette. Whereas the Vietnamese serve it with rice noodles, bean sprout, basil, chilli and so on. And so that's where it evolves. The beginning, however, is the same. [I explain to Luke that the broth for pot-au-feu and pho is not dissimilar to the way my Hungarian mother taught me to make veal broth with vegetables. We agree that it's important to have a very clean and clear broth.] Tell me in your opinion, Luke, what makes a good Vietnamese pho Definitely the clarity of the broth. It should be clear. I needs to be really aromatic without looking like there's a whole heap of spices and herbs in there. It also needs to be really well balanced. The fish sauce, the sea salt (if you want to put that in), and the amount of rock sugar you put in there. The noodles have to be silky and fresh. Tell me about the Parisian market that you visited. It was established in 1615? It was amazing! What I loved about that market, and what I really enjoyed about France (and especially Paris), is how diverse it was in culture and cuisine. I wanted to look into that further. There's the Latin quarter, there's the area where there's African food and African butchers, they had Lebanese food there, as well as Italian and Japanese. And then you have the Vietnamese influence as well. So that market was great. It is such an old market and of course it has great produce there. But I really loved the little hole-in-the-wall places that would serve cooked food. So you go to this old market and you are just exposed to all this wonderful food. And that's what France is. It's as culturally-diverse as we are in Australia. And the produce must be soooooo fresh?! Yes, the best berries I have ever tried were in France. A three-course soufflé meal, wow, tell me about it. Actually you can have more than three courses if you want to, but three courses of soufflé was enough for me. They are really light and fluffy and airy. Not rich or heavy at all. It was quite fascinating to try soufflé like that. And now that you are back at home, are you planning to add soufflé to the menu at Red Lantern? Yes, I plan to put a lot of those dishes onto the menu. We held an event last week where I just cooked a lot of the dishes from the show. We worked on the dishes to make them more restaurant-friendly, and our guests just loved them! Is there a difference in the ingredients and the baking technique between the French and the Vietnamese baguette? There is a difference. It is that the Vietnamese baguettes are a lot lighter, there are more air pockets and they are a lot flakier. And because they are designed to hold lots of filling, they are not dense and chewy. Our baguettes are designed for pâté, mayonnaise, pork balls, pork fat, Vietnamese pickles and lots of ingredients. The bread is the accompaniment and everything has to work together. Whereas, with the French baguette, they put their cold cuts or whatever and the baguette is the hero. I think the Vietnamese one is the other way around. French baguettes are also long and thin, whereas Vietnamese baguettes are bigger but shorter, and a lot, lot lighter. And finally, what's next on the agenda for Luke Nguyen? Will there be a book accompanying Luke Nguyen's France television series? Yes, I am working on a book now. How do you find the time? I don't know. [He laughs]. I do squeeze it in somehow. I like writing on a plane. Last time I was on a long haul flight I wrote about 15 recipes. I smash them out! There's nothing else to do. There are no phone calls or emails. So I can just focus. It's great. Thank you Luke for hosting this masterclass and for taking the time to speak with me. It was a great experience and a pleasure to meet you. I love your work and also I'd like to thank you for giving me the opportunity to recreate some of your dishes in the past, too. You have done it really well, Liz. Thank you, and thank you for your continued support. It was lovely to meet you. Tune in to Luke Nguyen's France on SBS ONE... The series... Luke Nguyen's France begins on Thursday, 24 April at 7:30pm on SBS ONE. Following its premiere, each episode will be available on iTunes and Googleplay. All episodes will be available online at http://www.sbs.com.au/food/luke-nguyens-france And the full series will be available on Blu-ray and DVD from June 2014. Join the conversation on social media #LukeNguyensFrance. Note: This post is sponsored by SBS Food. Good Things received payment for editorial support of Luke Nguyen's France and attended the masterclass at Red Lantern on Riley as a guest of Luke Nguyen and SBS Food. Opinions expressed are my own. It's interesting to learn the origins of different cuisines and discover how dishes evolved with time, don't you agree, dear readers? Did you know about the correlation between pho and pot-au-feu?
20/4/2014 08:15:06 pm
Wow. What a fabulous experience. It sounds amazing and Luke sounds like a great teacher and lovely person. I love his books and his television shows. Can't wait to see the new program. Clint and I traveled through Vietnam a few years ago and the French influence is obvious in the architecture and food. The food from the masterclass looks so yummy. The steak tartare will be a hit in my house. Love your writing Liz.
Lizzy
23/4/2014 01:58:20 pm
Hi Jennifer, this was indeed a 'wow' experience. Luke is such a warm and friendly gentleman, and just like he is on his TV shows. A great teacher, and a great chef too! An all round people person! Thank you for your kind words!
Lizzy
23/4/2014 01:58:56 pm
Aw, Maureen, you are so very kind! Luke is one of my food heroes, so it was a real honour and pleasure to be invited to attend this event! Thanks for stopping by : ) 20/4/2014 10:54:57 pm
WOW! What an experience! Luke is such a down to earth guy which not only shows through his cooking but also through this interview with you Liz. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Lizzy
23/4/2014 01:59:42 pm
Liz, it was indeed memorable... I wish I could do it all again! Thanks for stopping by : )
Eha
21/4/2014 02:11:12 pm
Oh Liz - I am absolutely peagreen with envy! What a fabulous Masterclass - and I love the sitting down mode! Civilized, elegant but so informative. Shall be trying out both recipes as soon as possible - the steak tartare first 'cause it is one of my very favourite dishes and fresh sardines are not always available rurally. Love your 'talk' also . . . Which reminds me to get some picture frames this week - every time a close friend joined LN on his Vietnam trips, guess who childishly asked for an autograph - they came on printed menus! Will go on my library wall!
Lizzy
23/4/2014 02:00:32 pm
Eha, it was such a wonderful event! I hope you will try both recipes... and do watch the series! Love the sound of your signed menu pictures on the wall. Thanks for stopping by : ) 21/4/2014 02:37:42 pm
What a great experience! Lucky you! This sounds like so much fun. Great interview, too. But I'm most taken by the recipe for the stuffed sardines -- really creative way to use something that most people rarely cook with. Great read -- thanks.
Lizzy
23/4/2014 02:01:04 pm
John, thank you very much! You may be able to see the series online! I hope you try the recipes too. Thanks for stopping by : )
Lizzy
23/4/2014 02:01:34 pm
Madeleine, it was a wonderful morning in the company of a wonderful chef! I love Red Lantern, and Luke Nguyen, too! Thanks for stopping by : ) 23/4/2014 10:25:33 am
So fascinating Liz. I loved the Red Lantern book (my sister bought it for me) the story of Luke and his family and the recipes all brilliant. So very excited to hear that you'd met Luke - I just wish he'd come a bit nearer here and open a Red Lantern restaurant in England.
Lizzy
23/4/2014 02:02:15 pm
Ah, Andrea, I know what you mean! I'd love them to open a Red Lantern here in Canberra too! Luke is a lovely person and such a wonderful chef! It was a real honour to meet him! Thanks for stopping by : ) 23/4/2014 11:48:57 am
Maybe I'd get more writing done if I took more long-haul flights! It's great how he makes the most of his time. What a lovely man he is and it's interesting that everyone in his family seems to be involved in food. I think the fusion of French with Vietnamese cuisine if a marriage made in heaven xx
Lizzy
23/4/2014 02:02:42 pm
Ha, Charlie, so true! I agree with you... glad you enjoyed this post. Thanks for stopping by : )
Lizzy
23/4/2014 01:59:18 pm
Miss Food Fairy, Luke is indeed down to earth, just very likeable! Thanks for stopping by : )
Lizzy
23/4/2014 02:03:05 pm
Hi Anne, do make sure you watch the series, it really is deliciously good! Thanks for stopping by : ) 21/4/2014 05:51:42 pm
Looks like Liz was paying attention and taking notes... What a great experience! :) ela
Lizzy
23/4/2014 02:03:20 pm
Liz was having a wonderful time, Ela! Thanks for stopping by : )
Lizzy
23/4/2014 02:03:40 pm
Rosa, thank you so much! I hope you will try the recipe! Thanks for stopping by : ) 21/4/2014 08:49:18 pm
You are SO lucky. Front and centre at an intimate demonstration plus a one-to-one with the man himself. It was interesting to know that pho is French! It makes sense, but still. Love the sardine recipe (we have fantastic sardines here in the UK, Scotland especially) - although it will severely test my fine motor skills ;-) Great piece with loads of information and chat, Liz x
Lizzy
23/4/2014 02:04:26 pm
Ah, Kellie, I know. It was a real honour and pleasure! Luke is one of my food heroes! Interesting about the pho! If you have such great sardines, then this recipe is a must! Thanks for stopping by : ) xo
Lizzy
23/4/2014 02:04:58 pm
Hi Gillian, how wonderful! I think you might enjoy the show then, as you may be going to similar parts of the country!? Thanks for stopping by : ) 21/4/2014 11:39:45 pm
I'm seeing a lot of sardines at the fish market lately. I should give this dish a try! :)
Lizzy
23/4/2014 02:05:11 pm
Absolutely! Thanks for stopping by : ) 22/4/2014 01:32:25 am
It was great to rwead this Liz as i was surprised to see this series advertised. It makes perfect sense now and I look forward to seeing it. I love watching Luke on film he is always interesting and fun
Lizzy
23/4/2014 02:05:45 pm
Yes, Tania, Luke is interesting and good fun, and such a wonderful chef! Glad you have the heads up now, make sure you tune in! Thanks for stopping by : ) xo 22/4/2014 02:47:55 pm
What a very special and wonderful experience indeed Liz, I'm so envious! I just love exploring the origins of dishes and recipes, it's always such a surprise :) x
Lizzy
23/4/2014 02:06:14 pm
Sure was, Bec, I feel very special for having been invited! Yes, the history of food is fascinating! Thanks for stopping by : ) 22/4/2014 05:12:33 pm
Great photos, the presentation of his dishes is simply beautiful. I ignorantly had no clue about the culinary link between Vietnam and France, fascinating!
Lizzy
23/4/2014 02:06:34 pm
Neither did I actually, so interesting! Thank you for your kind words. Thanks for stopping by : ) 22/4/2014 09:46:58 pm
Wow! What a fantastic experience Lizzy.
Lizzy
23/4/2014 02:06:48 pm
Absolutely, Mandy xox Thanks for stopping by : ) 23/4/2014 06:05:08 pm
YARM!!! How flippin fantastic, what a wonderful experience. :) Did you ever get to OPH when Ginger catering were there? Janet specialised in French / Viet cuisine, was always a treat when I worked in the restaurant kitchen, such a great fusion. :) Thanks for sharing. :)
Lizzy
23/4/2014 06:08:39 pm
Hi Anna, I sure did! I didn't know you worked there! Thanks for stopping by : ) 26/4/2014 03:34:16 am
Liz - I am so glad we are past the 24th. Now I might be able to start watching the series online! Thanks fro a fun interview and an intro to Luke!
Lizzy
27/4/2014 05:22:38 pm
David, I have you managed to do so, it really is a great series! : ) Comments are closed.
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